"I repeat, for me it's a closed chapter, P2, capped off final. I even gave all my documents to the State of Pistoia.
"Absolutely, I have not kept anything ... Why should I save more? Of course, if I had his age, I probably would have still kept those cards ... But I have one older than her, so I wanted to leave everything. I want to go quiet, very quiet, from every point of view. Please note that I made that decision even against the wishes of my family, but since it was my material, even if they disagreed, I decided so. I challenged them too. There was so much material that they can monetize, but now I have nothing to gain and nothing to lose. Just to let her know, in the State have told me that many things are classified, why some people are still alive. "
"That plan, as she calls it, not only do it again, but I would also be able to implement it, if only I had twenty years younger. At the time, if we had four months longer, we would be able to implement it ... At that time we had everything in hand: the Gladio, P2 e. .. another organization, which still has not appeared officially, not created by us but by someone who is still alive today, despite many years now ... We had three organizations ... four more months and we would certainly put into practice the plan. That, mind you, was valid then and now would also be true. Of course, would be changes, but implementing the plan would not come to the situation in Italy, he now lives ... "
"I'm sorry, but I do not remember, really ..."
"I say, I do not remember, really, how many were members of the P2 ... Rather ... "
Rather?
"I wanted to talk to Anselmi, I also asked to arrange a meeting, to tell her they were to betray his associates. Not surprisingly, we were able to disprove everything that was said and wrote at the time ... At that time many stupid things were said, and also Anselmi would have benefited because he had the chance to become President of the Republic: the Christian Democrats would have voted, and even the Communists would not have seemed true for the blow that had been scored. "
To read the papers, however, seems to have been different. And also to consider the many, too many mysteries. Like, for example, the relationship with the Church.
"Keep in mind that even the excommunication was scheduled for lay members of Freemasonry. Then, there was a change: the excommunication, as determined from the Vatican, could be issued only against the clergy. But know that the men were several members of Freemasonry, at the time, including highest degree. And were never mentioned, because they belonged to another list ... "
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"Listen, when two people marry, make this choice with warmth, with warmth. Then, it happens that after three or four years, split up ... Why? Simply because those principles have failed us, those values. Here, too, intend to Berlusconi, has failed to respect the principles that we thought he had ... And remember that I had for seven years in the lodge, so I think I know ... I also helped when I could ... "And what
Berlusconi has failed?
"But I also think this puttanaio the last few weeks ... Let me be clear, it is true that it can do what he likes and how much he wants, but we also have the ability to "know how", and besides there is still a limit. Instead he continues ... has defeated the first family, now is unraveling Italy. But nobody says anything ... He has committed a crime? If it is true what is attributed (at least in part, and I think that is true), then yes he should not have to do it, or at least should have used more sensitive systems. "
understand that you bet on the horse (political) wrong ...
"Look at that valuable policy, and as Cossiga Andreotti, there are no more. And a similar discussion also applies to generals and officers. But she has in mind the Italian army? Years ago it was an army for the country, not an army that are asked to clean up the city from the garbage, while the garbage collectors are on layoff. Today, however, we send troops to Afghanistan and Iraq: what interests us? From all this we have produced only dead! And I ask myself: but the Italian authorities are not shy when they kiss the coffins of soldiers killed? Again, we have no interest in going into those countries, but those soldiers have died so that those who kiss the coffins, they decided to send ... Do you think this is a serious country? ".